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[FL] Dining at Disney World Wine, too

#1 User is offline   Rail Paul 

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 12:05 PM

Dorothy Gaiter and John Brecher of the WSJ have an article today on their search for fine, reasonably priced wines at Disney World. They found a few, but observed markups as high as 3.5x retail prices for many lower priced wines. Disney answers that it tries to make a broad selection available from its master list which defines what may be served on the property.

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The markup on lower-priced wines is simply too high. In general this year, we found that the lower-priced wines cost about 3˝ times retail. Kanu Chenin Blanc 2004 from Stellenbosch, South Africa, is a very good choice for a wine list, but at the upscale Flying Fish Café it cost $35, compared to $9.95 as an average retail price. This was typical. What this means is that the price of the least expensive wine on the list is often too expensive. At the delightful Coral Reef restaurant in Epcot, for instance, the only wine on the list under $30 was Kenwood White Zinfandel -- for $27 a bottle. At the Whispering Canyon Café in the Wilderness Lodge, which features family-style barbecue, only the Kenwood White Zinfandel and Columbia Crest Two Vine Merlot 2001 cost less than $30 (both of those cost $27, too). At stores, the Merlot costs an average of about $8. Hey, wine drinkers know these are seriously high prices. It's a small world, after all.

We understand that things will cost more at Disney World. It's hard to beat the spectacle of fireworks over the Magic Kingdom and the light show on the water or the memory of your first hug from Mickey. That's priceless stuff. Still, at our hotel, for instance, a Coke from the vending machine cost $2.50. When our daughters saw that, they decided to drink water instead -- and we fear many diners at Disney World's restaurants make the same choice about wine.

Overall, we found that there are two kinds of wine experiences at Disney restaurants. The more-informal restaurants tend to have short, overpriced lists. There seems to be a sense that diners at a barbecue restaurant or a seafood buffet aren't really interested in wine. But informal chains such as Olive Garden understand that more and more Americans find informal, affordable wine to be part of the fun of eating out. By overpricing wine, Disney World is depriving many people of the additional treat of wine with a meal and, we'd guess, not selling as much wine as it could, thus leaving money on the table, too. That seems like a lose-lose situation to us. Mr. Blazon disagrees. He told us that Disney World's wines are "very favorably priced" and that the lists "offer value." He said prices are not out of line with industry averages.

The better restaurants tend to take wine far more seriously and offer far more interesting choices. The South African list at Jiko, in the Animal Kingdom Lodge, is very special and worth a trip. For years, the favorite destination for wine lovers at Disney World has been the California Grill at the Contemporary Resort. It offers over 65 wines by the glass and 100 more by the bottle. While an interesting wine there will still cost $36 and up, there are plenty of choices to make a meal more enjoyable, from Spann Vineyard Chardonnay-Viognier from Sonoma County to Lafond Syrah from the Santa Rita Hills. In general, the markup on these better wines is not as extreme as the so-so wines at the more-informal restaurants. And in any case, the markup is much less of an issue at the better restaurants because you'll rarely see some of their wines at retail stores. That's the kind of wine we look for at restaurants.



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My only complaint was that if they need to charge me $30 because they're robbing the duck to pay the boar they might as well give me a more substantial portion of flour, water, and bits of meat.

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Posted 27 June 2008 - 12:56 PM

NY Times updates its list of kid-friendly places where adults may also enjoy themselves. Florence Fabricant reports on her adventures.

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But the biggest surprise was the quality of the food, even without marquee chefs. There were fine, well-chosen wines, and also graciously professional service.

I had heard that Epcot had good places for dining, but we were not going there. Where we were headed was the Magic Kingdom and the Animal Kingdom, and we assumed dinner there would challenge our standards.

Happily, we did not have to compromise. Each resort hotel has several restaurants. With the idea of trying to please the adults as well as the children on this trip, we did not choose the more modest places or the cafeteria-style or buffet options for dinner. Our girls like dining in good restaurants; lately, eating has become adventureland for them.

As an added bonus, the accommodating attitude toward children in Disney’s serious restaurants permitted us to cap each day with an excellent and, indeed, relaxing meal.

We had booked accommodations in the Animal Kingdom Lodge, a sprawling hotel with an immense and distinctive thatched roof. Walking from the elevator after we checked in, we could see ostrich, zebras, gemsbok, giraffes, cranes and big-horned African Watusi cattle from the hallway windows. Thrilling.

We had the same savanna scene from our room as in the corridor. But no predators. For lions and crocodiles, there was the Kilimanjaro Safari, with about three dozen people sitting in what might be called a stretch safari vehicle, a ride that took only about 20 minutes, but during which we saw elephant families, hippos, white and black rhinos, crocodiles, gazelles, even cheetahs. Lions lazed among rock outcroppings that mimicked the kopjes of the Serengeti.

That first evening, in keeping with our safari adventure, we dined at Jiko — the Cooking Place, an African-themed restaurant that is the top dining venue in the African Kingdom Lodge. It was spacious, with seats at the bar and at tables in a room with bright swaths of color and fabric, and details in wood and stone.

The princesses ordered macaroni and cheese from the kid’s menu, then proceeded to help out with our ostrich schnitzel, pulled lamb rolled in phyllo, spice-crusted pork tenderloin and filet of arctic char with golden “mealie” pap (a kind of polenta). We kept the wine to ourselves, a richly elegant 1999 Paul Sauer Kanonkop ($90), from a deep reserve list of South African wines, which augmented the regular South African list of nearly 70 wines, $29 to $75.





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VISITOR INFORMATION

Animal Kingdom Lodge, a mile west of the Animal Kingdom park, has nearly 1,300 rooms, ranging from $225 to $2,820 a night. Reservations: (407) 939-7639 and www.disneyworld.com.

Jiko — The Cooking Place, in the Lodge, has dinner entrees from $24 to $37. The menu for children under 10 has entrees from $7 to $11.

Flying Fish Cafe, in the BoardWalk Resort, has dinner entrees for $26 to $38. Entrees for children under 10 are $5.50 to $12.

At California Grill, in the Contemporary Resort, dinner entrees are $23 to $38. For children under 10, entrees are $7 to $11.

Victoria & Albert’s is in the Grand Floridian. Prix-fixe dinners are $125 or $185 with wine pairings. There is no children’s menu.

All restaurant reservations: 407-939-3463.

My only complaint was that if they need to charge me $30 because they're robbing the duck to pay the boar they might as well give me a more substantial portion of flour, water, and bits of meat.

Orik, on the pasta price at Hearth in NYC
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Post icon  Posted 19 March 2009 - 08:27 PM

Yes, the due inflate the prices especially on wine. What we usually do when we go to Disney World or Tour Orlando is to hit the local market and pick up our own wine and smuggle it in.
Good luck!

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Posted 05 September 2011 - 11:02 PM

It doesn't seem like ten years ago, but that's when I visited Disneyworld. My travel tale is at The Pink Pig.
Eating the Apple 2011 here. Coming soon to Amazon and as an e-book.

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 07:42 PM

USA Today reports on a new Disney plan to charge no-show dining reservations at several places in the Parks. The tab will be as high as $25 for Victoria & Albert, more often $10 per head at other places. Disney's a big hitter, I wonder if Visa / MasterCard will blow off their charge backs?

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Beginning Oct. 26, customers making dinner reservations at many of the resort's better restaurants will be asked for a credit card number. If they don't cancel at least 24 hours in advance, the card will be charged $10 per person, the blog WDWMagic.com reports.

The new policy applies to 19 signature restaurants at the resort, including the upscale Victoria & Albert's, where the tab for no-shows will be $25 per person.


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My only complaint was that if they need to charge me $30 because they're robbing the duck to pay the boar they might as well give me a more substantial portion of flour, water, and bits of meat.

Orik, on the pasta price at Hearth in NYC
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Posted 12 December 2011 - 05:45 PM

We learned an optimal time to visit Disney, Sea World and Epcot was last week, Dec 5-8. Clear skies, mid 70’s, no lines and great rates - air and hotel. The holiday theme against palm trees is always bizarrely amusing too.

At Epcot, the kielbasa in Germany and chicken curry puffs in China were the best park food we tried. An external meal at Macaroni Grill was surprisingly good too. (We had a gift card). Fresh baked rosemary bread w excellent house olive oil, ricotta meatballs, roasted artichoke hearts and parm crusted sole were way beyond my expectations of a chain Italiano. I would totally go back (w/another gift card)
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