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Time to eat the dog? an ecological assessment of pet food

#1 User is offline   Rail Paul 

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 06:56 PM

Slate has an article about the conflict among scientists over the impact of pet foods (dogs, cats, guinea pigs, etc) on the use of resources. There's considerable debate about whether the production of pet food has a significant impact on ecology, or whether it's actually a good thing. One scientist has posited that the environmental impact of a medium sized dog is equivalent to two Toyota Land cruisers, large SUVs.

The first argument, that there's a significant impact, relies on the amount of grain and meat diverted to pet food manufacture. Without this diversion, less grain and meat wold be required overall.

The second argument, that there's little impact, rests on the use of meat byproducts in pet foods. Other than when consumed by MFF members, organ meats are often discarded if not used for pet food. Thus, the incremental impact of meat in pet foods is minimal. The growing trend toward select chuck, etc in animal foods is not considered significant enough to make an impact, it seems.

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Last fall, a pair of sustainable architecture experts from New Zealand, Robert and Brenda Vale, raised pet-lover hackles when an article based on their book Time To Eat the Dog? was published in New Scientist magazine. According to the Vales' back-of-the-envelope calculations—which assumed that all the meat in pet food came from chickens and that pet-grade meat is no different than people-grade meat—a medium-size dog has roughly twice the ecological footprint of a Toyota Land Cruiser. (An ecological footprint is the average amount of land and sea required to create a product and then absorb its waste.)

Several bloggers cried foul, claiming that the Vales overestimated how many calories a dog requires and underestimated the impacts of the Land Cruiser. The Lantern has been doing her own due diligence on the Vales' assumptions and has enough questions that she's not ready to accept or reject their conclusions just yet. But it does seem clear to her that a carnivorous pet—especially a large one with a big appetite—requires a significant amount of resources. Does that mean you should ditch your Alsatian for the sake of the planet? No. The Lantern understands that pets are important members of many families and that suggesting that readers get rid of them—no matter how big of a paw print they may have—is a bit like suggesting you kill yourself to spare the Earth (a recommendation that appears with some frequency in the Lantern's inbox). But the emotional attachment you feel to your dog or cat isn't a free pass to ignore its contribution to your family's overall consumption patterns. Maybe it means you make some personal trade-offs to balance out your choice of animal companion—like riding your bike instead of driving, for example.


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My only complaint was that if they need to charge me $30 because they're robbing the duck to pay the boar they might as well give me a more substantial portion of flour, water, and bits of meat.

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:33 PM

Well, I haven't owned a car in almost 20 years, so I figure that more than makes up for whatever resources I 'divert' to feed Doc.

Also, New Scientist magazine can bite me.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:43 PM

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"In the meantime, what's an eco-conscious pet owner to do? The way the Lantern sees it, there are two options worth exploring. The first is a variation on one of our cardinal rules for humans: Eat less meat. Some vegans and vegetarians put their cats and dogs on equally abstemious diets. The Lantern doesn't believe humans should be required to give up all meat, so she's not going to suggest that your pet should, either. But according to Marion Nestle—a public-health and nutrition expert who's recently been focusing her attention on pet food—the research clearly shows that dogs and cats can get all the nutrients they need from complete-and-balanced, all-veggie commercial foods. (No one has done any long-term clinical trials comparing various diet options, however.) Even if you don't want to take meat out of the equation entirely, you might be able to cut back, by replacing some of your pet's fleshy fare with grain-and-vegetable-based meals".


Well, I'm not 'eco-conscious'. There's no way I'm giving our cats a vegetarian diet.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:57 PM

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"In the meantime, what's an eco-conscious pet owner to do? The way the Lantern sees it, there are two options worth exploring. The first is a variation on one of our cardinal rules for humans: Eat less meat. Some vegans and vegetarians put their cats and dogs on equally abstemious diets. The Lantern doesn't believe humans should be required to give up all meat, so she's not going to suggest that your pet should, either. But according to Marion Nestle—a public-health and nutrition expert who's recently been focusing her attention on pet food—the research clearly shows that dogs and cats can get all the nutrients they need from complete-and-balanced, all-veggie commercial foods. (No one has done any long-term clinical trials comparing various diet options, however.) Even if you don't want to take meat out of the equation entirely, you might be able to cut back, by replacing some of your pet's fleshy fare with grain-and-vegetable-based meals".


Well, I'm not 'eco-conscious'. There's no way I'm giving our cats a vegetarian diet.


The humorist Tom Bodett has a piece on what happens when a "vegetarian raised" cat comes into contact with a live, but misdirected, squirrel.

It's not pretty, but it's hilarious. Especially the reactions of the vegan cat owner / companion

My only complaint was that if they need to charge me $30 because they're robbing the duck to pay the boar they might as well give me a more substantial portion of flour, water, and bits of meat.

Orik, on the pasta price at Hearth in NYC
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 09:51 PM

Our cat Giles absolutely loves lettuce but I don't think he's ready to live on it.

Who says you don't win friends with salad? laugh.gif
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:00 PM

Cats are carnivores. That's all there is to it. I would feel sorry for any cat whose humans put her on a vegetarian diet.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:05 PM

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Cats are carnivores. That's all there is to it. I would feel sorry for any cat whose humans put her on a vegetarian diet.

ms callie would never stand for a vegetarian diet
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 11:10 PM

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Cats are carnivores. That's all there is to it. I would feel sorry for any cat whose humans put her on a vegetarian diet.

Absolutely, cats are obligate carnivores. Any so-called expert who says a cat can live on a vegetarian diet is a misdirected idiot, or a peon of the anti-meat brigade, or more likely both.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:31 PM

There's no doubt that carbon based life forms consume food and produce waste. Destroying all life is therefore the obvious conclusion of any environmental ideology. (of course, as I've pointed out before, these anti-pet folks conveniently ignore the infinite environmental damage brought about by babies and their eventual offspring)
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:43 PM

so we should be making babies into food?
“One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take my little nephew to Disneyland, but instead I drove him to an old burned-out warehouse. 'Oh, no!', I said, 'Disneyland burned down.' He cried and cried, but I think that deep down he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late.”
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:11 PM

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so we should be making babies into food?

You do know you weren't the first to come to that conclusion, yes? laugh.gif
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:15 PM

QUOTE(flyfish @ Feb 28 2010, 10:11 AM) View Post
QUOTE(splinky @ Feb 28 2010, 08:43 AM) View Post
so we should be making babies into food?

You do know you weren't the first to come to that conclusion, yes? laugh.gif

great minds...
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:59 PM

QUOTE(splinky @ Feb 28 2010, 10:15 AM) View Post
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so we should be making babies into food?

You do know you weren't the first to come to that conclusion, yes? laugh.gif

great minds...


This is the 21st century. Where are the sustainably-produced artisanal babies raised within a 100-mile radius?

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE(fentona @ Feb 28 2010, 10:59 AM) View Post
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so we should be making babies into food?

You do know you weren't the first to come to that conclusion, yes? laugh.gif

great minds...


This is the 21st century. Where are the sustainably-produced artisanal babies raised within a 100-mile radius?

(insert Park Slope comment here)

we can make this happen, the children are our future, feed them well and let them roast away
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE(splinky @ Feb 28 2010, 11:03 AM) View Post
QUOTE(fentona @ Feb 28 2010, 10:59 AM) View Post
QUOTE(splinky @ Feb 28 2010, 10:15 AM) View Post
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QUOTE(splinky @ Feb 28 2010, 08:43 AM) View Post
so we should be making babies into food?

You do know you weren't the first to come to that conclusion, yes? laugh.gif

great minds...


This is the 21st century. Where are the sustainably-produced artisanal babies raised within a 100-mile radius?

(insert Park Slope comment here)

we can make this happen, the children are our future, feed them well and let them roast away


Show them all the beauty they possess inside (offal has such high profit margins!)
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