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Menu engineers come to the fore which type of diner are you?

#1 User is offline   Rail Paul 

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 04:09 AM

The NY Times has an article about the rise in menu management engineers. These design specialists develop menus, select font options, and oversee placement of items on the menu. They also analyze the psychology of restaurant customers to extract the most business from them.

The recent move toward dropping $ signs from US menus is a contribution of these specialists. So is the advent of pictures on the menu, especially in mid-market establishments

However, some experts are in conflict. One camp believes that descriptive labels (Jack Daniels sauce with Niman Ranch prime rib, or Eggo waffles with Minute Maid Orange Juice) will sell more, while others believe that lean, spare prose sells more. Both agree that placing the most expensive item on the menu first will make the following items seem more reasonably priced.

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And the name of the Tabla appetizer, Boodie’s Chicken Liver Masala, draws even deeper from the growing field of menu psychology because Boodie is the mother of Floyd Cardoz, Tabla’s executive chef. People like the names of mothers, grandmothers and other relatives on their menus, and research shows they are much more likely to buy, say, Grandma’s zucchini cookies, burgers freshly ground at Uncle Sol’s butcher shop this morning and Aunt Phyllis’s famous wedge salad.

After Tabla merged with its downstairs sibling, the Bread Bar at Tabla, in October, Mr. Meyer and his team spent months pondering such matters before unveiling a new menu earlier this month. The price of Boodie’s chicken livers, for example, is $9, written simply as 9. This is a friendly and manageable number at a time when numbers really need to be friendly and manageable. Besides, it has no dollar sign. In the world of menu engineering and pricing, a dollar sign is pretty much the worst thing you can put on a menu, particularly at a high-end restaurant. Not only will it scream “Hello, you are about to spend money!” into a diner’s tender psyche, but it can feel aggressive and look tacky. So can price formats that end in the numeral 9, as in $9.99, which tend to signify value but not quality, menu consultants and researchers say.

Tabla is just one of the many restaurants around the country that are feverishly revising their menus. Pounded by the recession, they are hoping that some magic combination of prices, adjectives, fonts, type sizes, ink colors and placement on the page can coax diners into spending a little more money.

“There is constant tinkering going on right now with menus and menu pricing,” said Sheryl E. Kimes, a professor of hospitality management at the Cornell School of Hotel Administration. “A lot of creative things are going on because the restaurants are trying to hold on for dear life to make sure they get through this.”

For the operators of most high-end restaurants, the menu psychology is usually drawn from instinct and experience. Mr. Meyer, for example, said he had developed most of his theories through trial and error.

“We thought long and hard about the psychology because this is a complete relaunch of a restaurant entirely through its menu and through the psychology of the menu,” Mr. Meyer said. “The chefs write the music and the menu becomes the lyrics, and sometimes the music is gorgeous and it’s got the wrong lyrics and the lyrics can torpedo the music.”

The use of menu engineers and consultants is exploding in the casual dining arena and among national chains, a sector of the business that has been especially pinched by the economy. In response, they are tapping into a growing body of research into the science of menu pricing and writing, hoping the way to a diner’s heart is not only through the stomach, but through the unconscious.


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Susan Franck, vice president of marketing for the chain, said she was intrigued about the four types of diners Mr. Rapp had identified. The customers he calls “Entrees” do not want a lot of description, just the bottom line on what the dish is and how much it is going to cost. “Recipes,” on the other hand, ask many questions and want to know as much as they can about the ingredients. “Barbecues” share food and like chatty servers who wear name tags. “Desserts” are trendy people who want to order trendy things.

My only complaint was that if they need to charge me $30 because they're robbing the duck to pay the boar they might as well give me a more substantial portion of flour, water, and bits of meat.

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 05:24 AM

That was a fascinating read, and applies not only to restaurants but to retail as well. I'm going to show it to a client who is erratic in pricing things. Sometimes it's 11.99 or 11.95 or 12.00. I hope this is an encouragement to standardize the inventory.

On the other hand, as brilliant as I think Grant Achatz is, he seems the odd man out in this piece. His business model hardly seems to compare to anyone else mentioned, though I suppose it intrigues people to read about him.
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Posted 25 December 2009 - 04:10 PM

Surely I'm not the only diner who HATES reading prices as:

9
or
28
or worse yet, 9 for one item and 9.5 for another.

I don't find the lack of dollar sign the least bit comforting, nor does it fool me into thinking I'm not spending some serious money here. And the single digit after the decimal point, apart from the inconsistency (which is a very big deal for me), makes it not look like a price as we all have now been trained to see. It just looks like a number floating in space. WTF? angry.gif
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Posted 25 December 2009 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE(Suzanne F @ Dec 25 2009, 11:10 AM) View Post
Surely I'm not the only diner who HATES reading prices as:

9
or
28
or worse yet, 9 for one item and 9.5 for another.

I don't find the lack of dollar sign the least bit comforting, nor does it fool me into thinking I'm not spending some serious money here. And the single digit after the decimal point, apart from the inconsistency (which is a very big deal for me), makes it not look like a price as we all have now been trained to see. It just looks like a number floating in space. WTF? angry.gif


Another little trick is to put the price of the desserts at the top of the dessert heading, and no price with each item. I noticed that Highlawn Pavilion wrote out its dessert price as Desserts - fourteen dollars, followed by the individual items.

Cloverleaf Tavern (Caldwell NJ) does it a little differently. They use the $9.95, etc format for the items, but offer discounts on a blackboard in the main room. Every night, there's some deal going. So, the burgers might be $8.95 on the menu, but there's a $1 discount for the second and additional burgers at a table. Or, two free toppings. Two-fer night gives the table a second item for $5 more.
My only complaint was that if they need to charge me $30 because they're robbing the duck to pay the boar they might as well give me a more substantial portion of flour, water, and bits of meat.

Orik, on the pasta price at Hearth in NYC
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Posted 25 December 2009 - 04:35 PM

Some magazine - either New York or Time Out ran a picture of Balthazar's menu with comments by one of these menu consultants. Maybe I posted about it before. It was a mixture of the obvious and the erroneous - some of the comments seemed to reflect a lack of practical knowledge of restaurants.

I guess you had to be there...
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Posted 25 December 2009 - 11:55 PM

QUOTE(Rail Paul @ Dec 24 2009, 11:09 PM) View Post
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And the name of the Tabla appetizer, Boodie’s Chicken Liver Masala, draws even deeper from the growing field of menu psychology because Boodie is the mother of Floyd Cardoz, Tabla’s executive chef. People like the names of mothers, grandmothers and other relatives on their menus, and research shows they are much more likely to buy, say, Grandma’s zucchini cookies, burgers freshly ground at Uncle Sol’s butcher shop this morning and Aunt Phyllis’s famous wedge salad.

I think that's a really dumb name for a dish because I would never imagine that anyone could ever have been named "Boodie."

Of course I have the same problem with "Bode," which makes following the World Cup tour a bit of an excercise in unreality this year.
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Posted 28 December 2009 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE(Wilfrid @ Dec 25 2009, 04:35 PM) View Post
Some magazine - either New York or Time Out ran a picture of Balthazar's menu with comments by one of these menu consultants. Maybe I posted about it before. It was a mixture of the obvious and the erroneous - some of the comments seemed to reflect a lack of practical knowledge of restaurants.

I guess you had to be there...


I posted something on Eater about it.

You really got the feeling that the proponents had never been to real restaurant before.
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