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Tamar G
QUOTE (hollywood @ Mar 21 2005, 07:44 PM)
Larger buttons?

so that the button doesn't slip out of the hole as easily
Cathy
Just make the buttonholes slightly smaller.
Daisy
QUOTE (Tamar G @ Mar 21 2005, 02:43 PM)
you could try replacing the buttons with slightly larger buttons. A pain, I know, but at least it would mean that the blouse wasn't a wash out.

But the buttons are so pretty. And why do I just know that my tailor will charge me a fortune to make the buttonholes smaller?
Cathy
Daisy, honey, it's so easy to do that yourself. Hell, bring the blouse over and I'll do it for you. smile.gif
Daisy
QUOTE (Cathy @ Mar 21 2005, 03:09 PM)
Daisy, honey, it's so easy to do that yourself.  Hell, bring the blouse over and I'll do it for you.  smile.gif

Cathy, I kid you not, I cannot even sew on a button. Embarrassing but true. I am ahead of my mother in domestic skills--she could not sew or cook. On the other hand, I have a sister who makes window treatments, upholsters, hangs wallpaper, does wiring, etc. But she recently phoned me to ask how to roast a chicken. wink.gif
NeroW
Burned myself and then cut myself right over the burn.
winesonoma
Wear a sweater over it. biggrin.gif
mongo_jones
QUOTE (NeroW @ Mar 21 2005, 07:07 PM)
Burned myself and then cut myself right over the burn.

that's so 2003
flyfish
QUOTE (Daisy @ Mar 21 2005, 03:15 PM)
[On the other hand, I have a sister who makes window treatments, upholsters, hangs wallpaper, does wiring, etc. But she recently phoned me to ask how to roast a chicken. wink.gif

Aha! I see a trade coming on. Get her to make the buttonholes smaller for you in exchange for cooking advice!

Fly
robert40
My 12 year old daugther comes home from school yesterday and she brings up a conversation about music. She goe's on to ask me if I ever heard the song Candy Shop by 50 cent. Needless to say I can not say I have so I went on to ask questions.
She say's its a nasty song dad, so I ask her where had she heard it.

My music teacher brings the CD in class and plays it.
Now I run a search and find the lyric's and now I'm in a state of panic and and to be honest down right pissed.

I've been on and off with the school all morning trying to get to the bottom of this with no luck so far.

Tell me. Am I overreacting ? I truely believe any teacher that will expose kids to this CD has a problem. I don't care if its a Teacher, Clergy or whatever, it's a warning that something is wrong with this man.

Robert
Tamar G
I chipped my front tooth (on a champagne bottle, no less). I've never chipped a tooth before. sad.gif

and of course, this means GOING TO THE DENTIST. angry.gif angry.gif
Daisy
A 6:30 AM surprise: kitty puked during the night. But not on the wooden or tile floors, oh no. On my suede boots and, a double header, on the underwear I threw on the floor when undressing last night. Blech.
Cathy
QUOTE (Tamar G @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)
I chipped my front tooth (on a champagne bottle, no less). I've never chipped a tooth before. sad.gif


Were you trying to pull out the cork with your teeth? blink.gif
Wilfrid
QUOTE (robert40 @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)
Tell me. Am I overreacting ? I truely believe any teacher that will expose kids to this CD has a problem. I don't care if its a Teacher, Clergy or whatever, it's a warning that something is wrong with this man.

Robert

What a difficult question. The lyric is unmistakably about fellatio, which at first blush might seem an unsuitable subject for a teacher to raise with 12 year old girls. At the same time, the video is in rotation on MTV, which I am sure is watched by many 12 year olds. And it's not so long ago that the ridiculously catchy "Milkshake" was popular with children much younger than 12, despite the sexual subject matter. Given society's mores, I don't know if the teacher is anything worse than thoughtless. But if your daughter is made to feel uncomfortable, I think that alone means you have a point.
JPW
QUOTE (robert40 @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)
My 12 year old daugther comes home from school yesterday and she brings up a conversation about music. She goe's on to ask me if I ever heard the song Candy Shop by 50 cent. Needless to say I can not say I have so I went on to ask questions.
She say's its a nasty song dad, so I ask her where had she heard it.

My music teacher brings the CD in class and plays it.
Now I run a search and find the lyric's and now I'm in a state of panic and and to be honest down right pissed.

I've been on and off with the school all morning trying to get to the bottom of this with no luck so far.

Tell me. Am I overreacting ? I truely believe any teacher that will expose kids to this CD has a problem. I don't care if its a Teacher, Clergy or whatever, it's a warning that something is wrong with this man.

Robert

Overreacting? No.

On the other hand you should be immensly cheerful and proud that your daughter:

a) recognizes that it is "nasty"

b) would broach the subject with you
robert40
QUOTE (Wilfrid @ Mar 20 2005, 01:47 PM)
QUOTE (robert40 @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)
Tell me. Am I overreacting ? I truely believe any teacher that will expose kids to this CD has a problem. I don't care if its a Teacher, Clergy or whatever, it's a warning that something is wrong with this man.

Robert

What a difficult question. The lyric is unmistakably about fellatio, which at first blush might seem an unsuitable subject for a teacher to raise with 12 year old girls. At the same time, the video is in rotation on MTV, which I am sure is watched by many 12 year olds. And it's not so long ago that the ridiculously catchy "Milkshake" was popular with children much younger than 12, despite the sexual subject matter. Given society's mores, I don't know if the teacher is anything worse than thoughtless. But if your daughter is made to feel uncomfortable, I think that alone means you have a point.

Yes. I have given some thought to how it's played on MTV as I went to the site.
But this teacher is even taken it up a notch by playing the uncut version. blush.gif

This teacher is aware that he is doing something wrong as the class is in the basement and he tell's the kids to keep the volume down as to not alert the other faculty.
omnivorette
That sounds bad. Like a teacher with the wrong...focus.
Tamar G
QUOTE (Cathy @ Mar 22 2005, 03:46 PM)
QUOTE (Tamar G @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)
I chipped my front tooth (on a champagne bottle, no less).  I've never chipped a tooth before.  sad.gif 


Were you trying to pull out the cork with your teeth? blink.gif

well I was in a bar brawl and this guy grabbed an empty champagne bottle from the bar and swung it at me and and I stopped it by grabbing the neck of the bottle with my teeth and ripping it out of his hand, in the process chipping a tooth. But you should see the other guy. smile.gif

I was opening the bottle and a little came out and I dipped my head to drink it and hit my tooth against the bottle.
omnivorette
You got a good dentist? I love my dentist, in case you need one.
Tamar G
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Mar 22 2005, 04:20 PM)
You got a good dentist? I love my dentist, in case you need one.

thanks. It's not my dentist I don't like (he's great and we've had dinner together) it's going to the dentists, period. But I will get to continue my tradition of buying a bottle of whiskey afterwards as his office is a couple of blocks away from Park Avenue liquors.
yumyum
Today for no good reason I woke up singing "I like dreamin'" and every time I am not actively using my grey matter, it's there again.

I like dreamin.... cuz dreamin can make you mine. I like dreamin.... Just closin' my eyes and feelin' fine....

WTF? How can a song I've not heard since the 70s be in my head?
hollywood
QUOTE (Tamar G @ Mar 22 2005, 08:31 AM)
QUOTE (omnivorette @ Mar 22 2005, 04:20 PM)
You got a good dentist?  I love my dentist, in case you need one.

thanks. It's not my dentist I don't like (he's great and we've had dinner together)

But did he floss after dinner?
Liza
Clients. Feh.
blink.gif
THEY directed the voiceover and guess what...they don't like the voiceover. Apparently I'm not supposed to point that out. blink.gif
Kim
QUOTE (robert40 @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)

Tell me. Am I overreacting ? I truely believe any teacher that will expose kids to this CD has a problem. I don't care if its a Teacher, Clergy or whatever, it's a warning that something is wrong with this man.

Robert

Robert, I'd do more than a phone call. I'd put my concerns in writing, including a copy of the lyrics, and cc the superintendent and the school board. Even giving the music teacher a HUGE benefit of the doubt, the teachers, school and administration need to be more aware. Pre teen girls, teachers, and songs about oral sex don't make a good mix.
robert40
QUOTE (Kim @ Mar 20 2005, 07:29 PM)
QUOTE (robert40 @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)

Tell me. Am I overreacting ? I truely believe any teacher that will expose kids to this CD has a problem. I don't care if its a Teacher, Clergy or whatever, it's a warning that something is wrong with this man.

Robert

Robert, I'd do more than a phone call. I'd put my concerns in writing, including a copy of the lyrics, and cc the superintendent and the school board. Even giving the music teacher a HUGE benefit of the doubt, the teachers, school and administration need to be more aware. Pre teen girls, teachers, and songs about oral sex don't make a good mix.

I did just that this afternoon.
I also spoke with the teacher and he claimed he had no idea what the lyrics were. blink.gif

I'm not buying it for a moment. dry.gif
Wilfrid
I don't know - how many pop songs do you hear twenty times without knowing what they're about. The teacher should just be considerably more alert to the issue. A friend of mine who has taught dance classes for children used to spend a good deal of time listening to CDs to find things suitable for the lessons which had harmless lyrics.
Ron Johnson
Louie Louie
mongo_jones
QUOTE (robert40 @ Mar 22 2005, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE (Kim @ Mar 20 2005, 07:29 PM)
QUOTE (robert40 @ Mar 22 2005, 10:39 AM)

Tell me. Am I overreacting ? I truely believe any teacher that will expose kids to this CD has a problem. I don't care if its a Teacher, Clergy or whatever, it's a warning that something is wrong with this man.

Robert

Robert, I'd do more than a phone call. I'd put my concerns in writing, including a copy of the lyrics, and cc the superintendent and the school board. Even giving the music teacher a HUGE benefit of the doubt, the teachers, school and administration need to be more aware. Pre teen girls, teachers, and songs about oral sex don't make a good mix.

I did just that this afternoon.
I also spoke with the teacher and he claimed he had no idea what the lyrics were. blink.gif

I'm not buying it for a moment. dry.gif

what does he say his reasons for playing the song were? what did he do with the song? and what does he usually do pedagogically with other songs?

he may possibly have asked them to keep the volume down just because it was hip-hop. it is possible he brought the song in to seem cool--he may not in fact know anything about it or even 50 cent.

these are all the generous readings.
robert40
I am trying to keep an open mind but its not my strong point I admit when it comes to my little girl.

I posted the lyrics below.



Candy Shop"
by 50 Cent (featuring Olivia)


[Intro: 50 Cent]
Yeah...
Uh huh
So seductive

[Chorus: 50 Cent & Olivia]
[50 Cent]
I take you to the candy shop
I'll let you lick the lollypop
Go 'head girl, don't you stop
Keep going 'til you hit the spot (woah)
[Olivia]
I'll take you to the candy shop
Boy one taste of what I got
I'll have you spending all you got
Keep going 'til you hit the spot (woah)

[Verse 1: 50 Cent]
You can have it your way, how do you want it
You gon' back that thing up or should i push up on it
Temperature rising, okay lets go to the next level
Dance floor jam packed, hot as a teakettle
I'll break it down for you now, baby it's simple
If you be a nympho, I'll be a nympho
In the hotel or in the back of the rental
On the beach or in the park, it's whatever you into
Got the magic stick, I'm the love doctor
Have your friends teasin you 'bout how sprung I gotcha
Wanna show me how you work it baby, no problem
Get on top then get to bouncing round like a low rider
I'm a seasons vet when it come to this shit
After you broke up a sweat you can play with the stick
I'm tryin to explain baby the best way I can
I melt in your mouth girl, not in your hands (ha ha)

[Chorus]

[Bridge: 50 Cent & Olivia]
Girl what we do (what we do)
And where we do (and where we do)
The things we do (things we do)
Are just between me and you (oh yeah)

[Verse 2: 50 Cent]
Give it to me baby, nice and slow
Climb on top, ride like you in the rodeo
You ain't never heard a sound like this before
Cause I ain't never put it down like this
Soon as I come through the door she get to pullin on my zipper
It's like it's a race who can get undressed quicker
Isn't it ironic how erotic it is to watch em in thongs
Had me thinking 'bout that ass after I'm gone
I touch the right spot at the right time
Lights on or lights off, she like it from behind
So seductive, you should see the way she wind
Her hips in slow-mo on the floor when we grind
As Long as she ain't stoppin, homie I aint stoppin
Drippin wet with sweat man its on and popping
All my champagne campaign, bottle after bottle its on
And we gon' sip til every bubble in the bottle is gone

Wilfrid
It's obvious when you read them. I assume he didn't.
Leslie
QUOTE (Wilfrid @ Mar 22 2005, 01:39 PM)
I don't know - how many pop songs do you hear twenty times without knowing what they're about.  The teacher should just be considerably more alert to the issue.  A friend of mine who has taught dance classes for children used to spend a good deal of time listening to CDs to find things suitable for the lessons which had harmless lyrics.

He's a music teacher for god's sake. It's his JOB to know what music he is teaching to his 12 year old students. He gets no break or benefit of the doubt from me. He's a lousy teacher, imo.

robert, I don't think you overreacted at all. I hope he gets a big fat reprimand from the school board. You should also bring this up with PTA that their 12 year old children are being exposed to lewd music in the classroom.



tanabutler
Robert, I sympathize completely, as I try to protect my girl from all kinds of nastiness, including hip hop, rap, and that whole bitch/ho/pimp mentality.

However, and not to defend the teacher at all, I myself have a kind of aural dyslexia that often makes me unable to comprehend lyrics in music. I don't know how to explain this, but I've mentioned it before. I can be fooled into thinking a song is upbeat and sweet—"The Good-bye Look" by Steely Dan, I only learned last year, is about a mob hit and not a breaking up song.

But assuming it's a hip hop song, surely some of the lyrics would have jumped out as being completely inappropriate for playing to students—the words "shit," "nympho," and "ass" being prime examples. And if those words didn't stand out, the general language of the genre should have indicated that the teacher should have exercised more caution than he did.

I would be plenty pissed off if I were in your shoes.
hollywood
It ain't romantic poetry. With all the good things that exist to play or read, it doesn't make sense that teacher would pick this particular song. If he's hip enough to know who 50 Cent is, I think he's hip enough to know to screen the lyrics before deciding to play the record. "Why?" seems like a valid question.
robert40
I will likely have to take his explanation at face value and give him the benefit of the doubt. Twenty five years ago I would have not been so understanding. laugh.gif

Or the other choice is to pull her out of the school.

See I am just such a firm believer in what Maya Angelou as often said.
'When someone shows themselves to you the first time.Believe them!'
NeroW
QUOTE (tanabutler @ Mar 22 2005, 10:23 PM)
Robert, I sympathize completely, as I try to protect my girl from all kinds of nastiness, including hip hop, rap, and that whole bitch/ho/pimp mentality.

That's funny. My Mom can not understand why I love rap and hip hop music. I keep trying to point out to her that a lot of hip hop (50 not included) is not misogynistic, but she also knows of my love for all beats, bitch/ho or otherwise, so she takes what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

If the music teacher is trying to expose the kids to hip hop, why the hell would he choose 50? That's like playing Three Doors Down and 311 to teach kids about rock and roll. Go before the PTA with better hip hop suggestions.

That said, I like 50 Cent.

My annoyance for today was picking through 2 cases of mesclun to separate the wet and almost-rotten from the dry and nice-looking. I fucking hate pre-bagged lettuces. I can't wait for spring.
Cathy
No one in my immediate family can grasp that any email headlined 'please forward this to everyone you know' is most likely bullshit or worse. I just sent my sister the snopes. com link debunking her latest forwarded idiot missive, and she's arguing with me, the little snip. rolleyes.gif
tanabutler
QUOTE (NeroW @ Mar 22 2005, 05:07 PM)
QUOTE (tanabutler @ Mar 22 2005, 10:23 PM)
Robert, I sympathize completely, as I try to protect my girl from all kinds of nastiness, including hip hop, rap, and that whole bitch/ho/pimp mentality.

That's funny. My Mom can not understand why I love rap and hip hop music. I keep trying to point out to her that a lot of hip hop (50 not included) is not misogynistic, but she also knows of my love for all beats, bitch/ho or otherwise, so she takes what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

If the music teacher is trying to expose the kids to hip hop, why the hell would he choose 50? That's like playing Three Doors Down and 311 to teach kids about rock and roll. Go before the PTA with better hip hop suggestions.

That said, I like 50 Cent.

My annoyance for today was picking through 2 cases of mesclun to separate the wet and almost-rotten from the dry and nice-looking. I fucking hate pre-bagged lettuces. I can't wait for spring.

Nero, you aren't twelve, are you?

It's one thing to like that stuff if you're an adult, and quite another to forcefeed it to children.

I just hate music that's based in so much negativity. Hate. It.

And am quite glad my daughter likes "peace and love" music instead.
guajolote
QUOTE (tanabutler @ Mar 22 2005, 07:48 PM)
I just hate music that's based in so much negativity. Hate. It.

i would say a song about a blowjob would be positive biggrin.gif .
tanabutler
Language and context, dawl, language and context.
Daisy
It's snowing. Again.
Vanessa
Just discovered I've become squeamish about dealing with live lobsters angry.gif

v
Wilfrid
Where to start? Raging headache? Blizzard? Work? Life in general? And why is it, when thirty or forty patrol cars are racing up the avenue, the ones in the rear have to sound their sirens too? Are they inviting the patrol cars ahead of them to get out of the fucking way?
Liza
Life in general, a fine place to start.

Ron Johnson
How about clients in general . . . no wait, people in general.
Daisy
People pronouncing c-a-r-a-m-e-l as "car-mel". Tyler Florence will forever have my admiration as one of the few TV chefs to use the right pronounciation.

Carmel is a mountain in Israel.
Ron Johnson
Mt. Carmel is on Arthur Avenue, not Israel. Kick-ass wine shop.

Daisy
QUOTE (Ron Johnson @ Mar 23 2005, 05:03 PM)
Mt. Carmel is on Arthur Avenue, not Israel. Kick-ass wine shop.

That as well.

Wise-ass poster.
Leslie
QUOTE (Vanessa @ Mar 23 2005, 11:30 AM)
Just discovered I've become squeamish about dealing with live lobsters  angry.gif

v

I empathize. I like my lobsters already (recently) dead. I found out I am squeamish when it comes to freshly killed pheasants this year. I was presented with a beautiful one and had the best of intentions to eat it, but I became squeamish at the thought of plucking and cleaning such a gorgeous speciman, and alas, I gave it a proper burial in a park. sad.gif
Ron Johnson
QUOTE (Daisy @ Mar 23 2005, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE (Ron Johnson @ Mar 23 2005, 05:03 PM)
Mt. Carmel is on Arthur Avenue, not Israel.  Kick-ass wine shop.

That as well.

Wise-ass poster.

wink.gif
Orik
right, it should be pwonounced cowmel.
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